WAAO
Executive Board Minutes
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Meeting
Date: January 10, 2005 |
Meeting
Place:
Raintree Resort, Wisconsin Dells |
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Voting
Members Present (Officers & Directors): Mark
Schlafer, Mel Raatz, Jim Siebers, Pam Hennessey, Joan Spencer, Mike Higgins,
John Meyer, Reed Johnson, Kathee Isleb, Rocco Vita, Mike Muelver, Jim Young,
Wes Little, Bill Adams |
Absent: Eric
Miller |
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Chairs &
Representatives Present: Bob
Lorier, Steve Miner, Pete Krystowiak, Pete Weissenfluh, Hugh Harper, Kathy
Romanak, Sue Plutschack, Mike Kurth |
Absent: Dave
Krolicki, Mary Reavey, Nan Giese, Tina Bizub, Michele Cullen, Mike Patnode |
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Others
Attending: Jolene Plautz |
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Secretary |
Pam
Hennessey |
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Minutes Approved |
Approved |
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Treasurer |
Joan Spencer |
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Membership Count |
580 |
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Operating Balance |
$23,687.82 |
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Education Balance |
$
9,041.48 |
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IAAO Host Balance |
$
1,648.80
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General Meeting Count |
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General Meeting |
Revenue: $2,840 |
Expense:
$2,704.08 |
Net:
$ 135.92 |
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President |
Mark
Schlafer |
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Correspondence |
Mark
received an e-mail from Tina Bizub. See
discussion under AVOW. |
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DOR Communications |
None |
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Association Activity |
None |
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Committee
Reports |
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Auditing |
Dave
Krolicki—no report |
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Awards / Resolutions |
Mike
Higgins—no report |
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Nominating |
Mike
Higgins—no report |
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Planning & Management |
Mark
Schlafer—no report, but he still plans to review the number of committee
members. He will call a meeting for
late January or early February. |
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Ad Hoc SLF Liaison |
Bob
Lorier—SLF Division Administrator is now Michael Lehman, a former legislator;
Bureau of Property Tax director is now Dan Davis, who came from income tax;
Bureau of Standards director is now Frank Humphrey. Bill Wardwell is still head of Manufacturing, Ken Schuck is
head of Local Government Services, and the Equalization head is still vacant
(formerly Gene Miller). Reed will
distribute an updated organizational chart.
The IPAS (Integrated Property Assessment System) project is headed by
Paul Reineman; the Real Estate Transfer Return automation project is headed
by Jim Murphy. Bob asked about the
Manufacturing cost proposal but didn’t get much additional information at
this point. DOR would like us to work
with them on putting together a legislative package; they are also working
with a group of clerks. Next meeting
is January 20, 2005. |
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IAAO Representative |
Pete
Weissenfluh reported he and Mary Reavey will be speaking at an IAAO function
in St. Louis in March. |
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IAAO Endorsement |
Mary
Reavey—no report |
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IAAO 2006 Host Committee |
John
Meyer said in December they met the meeting planner and fund raising
coordinator. An initial budget for
the conference was presented. The
golf outing is scheduled for Sunday (10/8/06) at Washington County golf
course. The opening reception the
same is tentatively at Pier of Wisconsin along the lakefront. The Art Museum will be the fall back if
the Pier is not completed on schedule.
On Monday (10/9/06) the opening ceremony will include a procession of
flags of participating nations; also a membership appreciation event at the
Milwaukee Public Museum. Tuesday
(10/10/06) is an open night so far.
The initial draft of the budget was approved and a slogan selected and
will be finalized at the next meeting.
We will have a presence at the Anchorage conference, with photos of
participants being taken on a Harley Davidson motorcycle. The committee is meeting with the
Milwaukee Convention and Visitors Bureau to see what they can help with. |
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NCRAAO Representative |
Steve
Miner—no report |
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Ad Hoc NCRAAO 2008 Host |
Steve
Miner reported the committee had looked at the Fox Hills Resort in Mishicot
and liked it, but they have also recently been contacted by the Olympia in
Oconomowoc. The Fox Hills Resort is
currently offered for sale. The
committee will continue to work on the location question. |
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Ad Hoc Communication/Tech |
Steve
Miner asked for comments from the Board about the new website design. Steve is waiting for approval before
putting it into production. (see
board action below). Phil
Sanders has resigned from the committee, but Steve and Barry Feig are continuing
to work on the effort. Steve wants to
add sample job descriptions, as soon as he receives any. The member passwords and history will
remain intact. Steve, Barry, and Phil
have done a great job. |
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Ad Hoc Prop. Tax Awareness |
Kathee
Isleb said Mark needs to appoint a new chair for this committee. |
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Education & Training |
Pete
Krystowiak raised several issues. A
review of the December quarterly class shows we made a small profit. The overall feedback was positive, with
concerns about the length of the session.
Joyce should be thanked for all her effort in putting that together,
and we’ll put together a resolution for the March quarterly meeting to
acknowledge her hard work. The
March quarterly meeting’s program will be from the Property Listers
Association. Jim Murphy will also
present information on the Real Estate Transfer Return automation
project. For the winter thaw the next
day, the committee hopes to put on an appraisal institute class on the
valuation of convenience stores. This
class will be presented in the Milwaukee area about 3 weeks prior to our
March meeting. The appraisal
institute has no problem with the duplication, as long as we only advertise our
class to our own organization. To
keep the cost down for the winter thaw, Joan said we can use some money from
the education fund for the speaker’s fees. The
program subcommittee and education committee is considering brainstorming
topics for future meetings and then involving other WAAO committees in
developing the presentations. |
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Membership Services |
Nan Giese—no report |
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Public Relations |
Sue
Plutschack informed Mark that she needs to withdraw as the chair this year,
although she will continue to work with the committee. This committee has had a lot of change in
the last year. Mark will find a new
chair. |
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AVOW Editor |
Mark
Schlafer announced Tina has resigned as editor, effective immediately. We have e-mail addresses for about 2/3 of
the membership. We should consider
mailing information for the class registration in March and direct the members
to the website for more information. (see board action below) |
Deadline:
January 21, 2005 to Steve Miner for publication on the website. |
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Legislative Committee |
Pete Weissenfluh introduced Jolene
Plautz, our lobbyist. Pete said she
has been very effective and wonderful to work with. Pete handed out a draft bill for the repeal of s. 74.37, Wis.
Stats. It also defines as a palpable
error the failure of the assessor to send the s.70.365 assessment
notice. The board consensus is to go
ahead with the draft, now we need to find a suitable sponsor. Jolene, Pete and others will be in Madison
Wednesday to meet with legislators.
The Alliance of Cities said they would join in our lobbying effort;
the realtors may remain neutral; Jolene will also talk with the League of
Wisconsin Municipalities. We need to
stress that we are not taking rights away, that the property owners still
have other appeal options available.
The avenue we are removing is very costly and time-consuming. If you have a Republican legislator,
discuss this with them and put them in touch with Pete Weissenfluh. Joan will e-mail the bill draft to all
members. On the trespass bill, Jolene
has set up a meeting next week with legislators. Regarding the proposal for municipalities to assume the total
cost of assessing manufacturing property (approximately 137%), but we would
like to have an opt-out provision.
Any municipalities which, under this proposal, would opt to do the
manufacturing assessments themselves, should inform Secretary Morgan in the
next few weeks. Should we push to
include an opt-out provision, or should we push to simply defeat the proposal
(which is the riskier position). Assessors
and municipalities need to call the Governor’s office (potentially mayors and
finance directors call Secretary Morgan) to alert them that the manufacturing
cost shift in the DOR budget proposal is not acceptable. We need to start considering a WAAO position
on county-wide assessments, which likely will be a future proposal. There is a bill draft by Rep. Albers to no
longer require an interior inspection for an appeal, that the property owner
could provide information. There is
also a bill draft on managed forest lands, and another draft about Board of
Review allowing sufficient time for owners who have multiple parcels. Another draft is a wetlands bill which is
supported by DATCP to reduce property taxes for wetlands. Jolene is watching the bills which are
being circulated. Speaker Gard is
looking to eliminate the Jt. Survey Committee on Tax Exemptions. |
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Property Tax Exemptions |
Kathee
Isleb said they met recently to discuss proposals. The committee believes it would be timely to present WAAO’s BOTE
(Board of Tax Exemptions) proposal to a legislative committee. Statewide there is a discrepancy in the
uniform application of exemptions.
The Legislative Council study committee (Columbus Park Housing) has a
proposal to split s. 70.11(4) into 4 categories, none of which includes the
high end senior housing. We also do
not want to tie exemptions to IRS rules.
www.legis.state.wi.us/lc/2004studies
is the website for the study committee, which includes links to the proposals
and the meeting specifics. Mary
requests that once the letter she drafted to the study committee is signed by
Mark it be e-mailed to the WAAO membership.
Jolene suggested it also be provided to the key legislators. One of the study committee members was
concerned that the municipalities are not being heard about this and need to
be more vocal. |
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Rural Concerns |
Mel
Raatz has e-mailed the conservation tax proposal to members. The proposal is being promoted by others,
including the Dept. of Natural Resources.
The Soil and Water Conservation Society is holding their conference in
late January, and Mel and Scott Shields of DOR are presenting on ag use. |
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Real Estate Standards |
Kathy
Romanak said the committee is awaiting approval for the cover letter and
sample commercial/apartment operating statement to be forwarded to DOR for
inclusion in the Wisconsin Property Assessment Manual. (see board action below) |
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Personal Property Standards |
Mike
Patnode—no report |
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Ad Hoc Billboards |
Mike
Kurth said the committee has not met but they have just received a decision
upholding the City of Madison’s use of the income approach. |
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Computer Assisted |
Hugh
Harper—no report |
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Ad Hoc Commercial Sales |
Pete
Krystowiak said they met in December with the American Farm
Appraisers which has a database, and whether we could piggy-back or benefit
from their experience. The committee
will be meeting to discuss the issue, we might be able to use their database
at a low cost, but we would have to supplement data. Bob said the state is still debating how
they want to handle a commercial sales database. |
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New Business |
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Brought Up By |
Mark
Schlafer |
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Concern |
Assessor
Certification Review Committee. Bob Lorier
stated that this has been discussed at the SLF meetings and now is the time
for WAAO to get involved. We should
be prepared to forward our position by the beginning of 2006 at the
latest. Kathee Isleb, Mike Muelver,
and Wes Little volunteered to be on the committee. |
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Brought Up By |
Jim
Siebers |
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Concern |
Jim
received an e-mail about a City of Milwaukee court case on cost vs.
sales. The case was on the hierarchy
of evidence. The Court of Appeals
said you have to consider the hierarchy every time, and that you can’t use
the cost approach. Pete Weissenfluh
said the facts did not come out as they should have in the testimony, mass
appraisal is never really addressed at the board of review and all the judge
sees is the hierarchy of evidence. |
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Items
Of Discussion |
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Board Action |
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Motion By: John Meyer |
Second By: Joan Spencer |
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Motion: Move
that we go forward with endorsing the revised website and having it available
for the membership. |
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Approved: Yes |
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Motion By: John Meyer |
Second By: Kathee Isleb |
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Motion: For
Joan to mail to the membership an announcement of the upcoming March
meetings, and to direct members to the website for additional information. (Joan will include this in her annual
membership mailing). |
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Approved: Yes |
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Motion By: Mike Muelver |
Second By: Bill Adams |
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Motion: To
forward the cover letter and commercial/apartment operating statement
developed by the Real Estate Standards committee to DOR for inclusion in the
Wisconsin Property Assessment Manual. |
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Approved: Yes |
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Minutes Taken By: |
Pam Hennessey |
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Date Approved By Executive Board: |
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